CZSK verze 1.8

[Bpee237]

@Icik

I have two ideas for the next updates. Maybe it is possible to implement some of this:

1. It would be more realistic if it would be able to set the thermostate temperature for every wagon. In real life the most wagons have a knob to set the thermostate temperature from about 16°C to 26°C in 0,5°C steps.
I did not find the thermostate settings in the OR-code right now. So I don't know which setting it is by default. It behaves sometimes a bit strange, because some wagons cool down until 18° and one wagons always just decrease until 25° and not less.
It would be perfect to have a setting for that in the F9-menu, like that:

Temperature set: < 20° >

With the <, > the temperature can be changed for every wagon individually from 16° to 26°.

How do you think about it? Should not be soo complicated, or is it?

2. The second idea is to have locos or wagons choosen randomly at the beginning.
There must be an option in the .con file to add two differnet locos or teo differnet wagons and openrails choose and load just one of them randomly. For example:

yxz.con

151 008 or 362 079
Bpee
Bpee
BDs
Apee

Openrails chooses every time randomly to load either the 151 or the 362. So when loading the .con its completly random to drive with an 151 or 362. (The wagons are the same)
Could be also possible to choose wagons randomly.
This would be more realistic, to have differnet trainsets.

 

[Al.Novotny]

Ahoj, v aktivitě Zvl Os 103124 mi nefungujou navěstidla v TM.

 

[Dan J.]

A nefungují na TM správně. Zadáno tvůrcem aktivity. Koukáš na návěstidla na trati.

 

[Icik]

@Icik

I have two ideas for the next updates. Maybe it is possible to implement some of this:

1. It would be more realistic if it would be able to set the thermostate temperature for every wagon. In real life the most wagons have a knob to set the thermostate temperature from about 16°C to 26°C in 0,5°C steps.
I did not find the thermostate settings in the OR-code right now. So I don't know which setting it is by default. It behaves sometimes a bit strange, because some wagons cool down until 18° and one wagons always just decrease until 25° and not less.
It would be perfect to have a setting for that in the F9-menu, like that:

Temperature set: < 20° >

With the <, > the temperature can be changed for every wagon individually from 16° to 26°.

How do you think about it? Should not be soo complicated, or is it?

2. The second idea is to have locos or wagons choosen randomly at the beginning.
There must be an option in the .con file to add two differnet locos or teo differnet wagons and openrails choose and load just one of them randomly. For example:

yxz.con

151 008 or 362 079
Bpee
Bpee
BDs
Apee

Openrails chooses every time randomly to load either the 151 or the 362. So when loading the .con its completly random to drive with an 151 or 362. (The wagons are the same)
Could be also possible to choose wagons randomly.
This would be more realistic, to have differnet trainsets.

Hi, thanks for the suggestions, but unfortunately I'm not doing either right now.

1. The temperature is set by the train crew at the beginning of the activity and it's done randomly. Maybe in the future I'll add regulation to the operating menu of the car. But then again, they'll write to me here that a player like the driver shouldn't be running on the train and setting the temperature of the car.

2. Random selection consist? Why? Anyone can make any kind of an consist they want and switch them around. It's going to take me a lot of time, and it's only going to be used by a handful of people or nobody.

I'm dealing with Multiplayer now, where I've written support for dynamic cargo, dynamic weather, transferred a lot of sound events to make the trains sound authentic to the players and another pile of work.

 

[Lukash]

Pri jazde s poschodovou jednotkou ZSSK 671 som zaregistroval problém. Pri jazde z riadiaceho vozňa 971 nefunguje ovládanie kompresoru. Prepínač v kabíne funguje, ale kompresor sa nespustí. Kompresor sa dá spustiť iba z hnacieho vozňa.

 

[Bpee237]

Hi, since the newer versions I have the problem that the automatic updates does not work anymore. It always said the file "menu.exe.tmp" is already there. I tried some times and deleated the file but it still does not work.

 

[Cmodik]

Hi, since the newer versions I have the problem that the automatic updates does not work anymore. It always said the file "menu.exe.tmp" is already there. I tried some times and deleated the file but it still does not work.

Hello, try to delete application, and reinstall new from website

 

[Icik]

Pri jazde s poschodovou jednotkou ZSSK 671 som zaregistroval problém. Pri jazde z riadiaceho vozňa 971 nefunguje ovládanie kompresoru. Prepínač v kabíne funguje, ale kompresor sa nespustí. Kompresor sa dá spustiť iba z hnacieho vozňa.

Zkontroluj na soupravě, jestli se nerozpojil kabel MU (v menu F9). Řídící vůz jen posílá signál na zapnutí a právě po kabelu.

 

[Dan J.]

Ahoj. Když mi na soupravu: ČSD 477.0+BPjo+Daad (souprava pod parním topením) najede na prdel AI vlak 2x ČSD M262, sice zapnu naftový agregát topení (pod F9), ale vozy netopí.

 

[Lukash]

MU kábel je zapojený a z 971 sa dá so súpravou jazdiť, ale kompresor nereaguje. A ešte som zistil, že z 971 nejde ani stiahnuť zberač, dá sa to iba vypnutím HV cez CTRL+O, pričom pri ovládaní z 671 je všetko OK.

 

[Matěj B.]

@Icik

I have two ideas for the next updates. Maybe it is possible to implement some of this:

1. It would be more realistic if it would be able to set the thermostate temperature for every wagon. In real life the most wagons have a knob to set the thermostate temperature from about 16°C to 26°C in 0,5°C steps.
I did not find the thermostate settings in the OR-code right now. So I don't know which setting it is by default. It behaves sometimes a bit strange, because some wagons cool down until 18° and one wagons always just decrease until 25° and not less.
It would be perfect to have a setting for that in the F9-menu, like that:

Temperature set: < 20° >

With the <, > the temperature can be changed for every wagon individually from 16° to 26°.

How do you think about it? Should not be soo complicated, or is it?

2. The second idea is to have locos or wagons choosen randomly at the beginning.
There must be an option in the .con file to add two differnet locos or teo differnet wagons and openrails choose and load just one of them randomly. For example:

yxz.con

151 008 or 362 079
Bpee
Bpee
BDs
Apee

Openrails chooses every time randomly to load either the 151 or the 362. So when loading the .con its completly random to drive with an 151 or 362. (The wagons are the same)
Could be also possible to choose wagons randomly.
This would be more realistic, to have differnet trainsets.

I agree with Icik. As an optional bonus function, it won't be bad at all, but for the sake of realism this isn't appropriate. As Icik and I wrote, the temperature inside the cars isn't set by a driver, but by another crew member of the train. This is usually done by the condutor, but it can be anyone else from the train's crew. The only way, how can driver affect the heating/air conditioning, is by turning the power for the heating/air conditioning circuit on or off (in case of an electric loco), or by connecting or disconnecting the secondary generator for heating/air conditioning circuit (in case of a diesel loco).

Random consists? No thanks. I mean, that would cause a lot of problems. Especially with activities. If you have no idea, how to make consists, you can use TSRE route editor. This route editor software also has a consist editor, which is easy to use. If you don't have a TSRE route editor, and you want to download it, try to search this forum. I believe, it was mentioned a lot here.

Fact time:
Do you know, if the passenger cars are getting coupled/decoupled, and the heating/air conditoning circuit cable is being connected/disconnected, the loco either has to has it's pantograph fully dropped down (in case of an electric loco), or the engine has to be completely stopped (in case of the diesel loco)? This is for safety reasons, so there's no power in the said circuit. If the heating/air conditioning circuit was powered and someone connected/disconnected the cable for the said circuit, the cable will arc and the person, manipulating the cable may get hit by the electric arc, getting severely injured (severe burns) or killed (the heart may not endure that strong zap).

 

[Matěj B.]

I agree with Icik. As an optional bonus function, it won't be bad at all, but for the sake of realism this isn't appropriate. As Icik and I wrote, the temperature inside the cars isn't set by a driver, but by another crew member of the train. This is usually done by the condutor, but it can be anyone else from the train's crew. The only way, how can driver affect the heating/air conditioning, is by turning the power for the heating/air conditioning circuit on or off (in case of an electric loco), or by connecting or disconnecting the secondary generator for heating/air conditioning circuit (in case of a diesel loco).

Random consists? No thanks. I mean, that would cause a lot of problems. Especially with activities. If you have no idea, how to make consists, you can use TSRE route editor. This route editor software also has a consist editor, which is easy to use. If you don't have a TSRE route editor, and you want to download it, try to search this forum. I believe, it was mentioned a lot here.

Fact time:
Do you know, if the passenger cars are getting coupled/decoupled, and the heating/air conditoning circuit cable is being connected/disconnected, the loco either has to has it's pantograph fully dropped down (in case of an electric loco), or the engine has to be completely stopped (in case of the diesel loco)? This is for safety reasons, so there's no power in the said circuit. If the heating/air conditioning circuit was powered and someone connected/disconnected the cable for the said circuit, the cable will arc and the person, manipulating the cable may get hit by the electric arc, getting severely injured (severe burns) or killed (the heart may not endure that strong zap).

Překlad do češtiny pro ty, co neumí anglicky:

"Souhlasím s Icikem. Jako volitelná bonusová funkce by to nebylo špatné, ale pokud bychom chtěli zachovat realizmus, tak se to nehodí. Jak jsme Icik a já napsali, teploty uvnitř vagónů nejsou nastavovány fírou, ale jiným členem posádky vlaku. Většinou tohle dělá průvodčí, ale může to být kdokoliv jiný z posádky vlaku. Jediný způsob, jak může fíra ovlivnit topení/klimatizaci je buď zapnutím/vypnutím napájení pro topný/klimatizační okruh (v případě elektriky) nebo zapojením/odpojením přídavného generátoru pro topný/klimatizační okruh (v případě dieselu).

Náhodné consisty? Ne díky. Chci říct, to by mohlo způsobit spoustu problémů. Zvláště s aktivitami. Pokud nemáš ani ponětí, jak vytvářet consisty, můžeš použít editor tratí TSRE. Tenhle software ma i editor consistů, který se snadno používá. Pokud TSRE editor nemáš a chceš si ho stáhnout, zkus prohledat tohle fórum. Věřím, že tu byl několikrát zmíněn.

Čas na fakt:
Víš že, když se svěšují/odvěšují vagóny pro cestující a kabel pro vytápění/klimatizaci se připojuje/odpojuje, tak musí mít lokomotiva schozené všechny smetáky (pokud je to elektrika), nebo musí být spalovák úplně zastaven (pokud je to diesel)? To je kvůli bezpečnosti. Pokud by byl okruh pro topení/klimatizaci pod proudem a někdo odpojil kabel daného okruhu, přeskočil by el. oblouk, který by mohl osobu, manipulující s kabelem, trefit, a tím ji vážně zranit (těžké popáleniny) nebo zabít (srdce by by takovou elektrickou šlupku neustálo)."

Tak tady ten překlad je. Chápu, že ten fakt může být pro některé z vás už známý, ale myslel jsem si, že by to mohlo "Bpee237" zaujmout. Toť vše.

 

[Bpee237]

@matej B. Thank you for your answer. I understand that the temperature feature is just for fun and nothing really important for the OR. I just thought about it, and if its easy to realize and bring again a bit more realism to OR. (And ofc I know this is done by the conductor normally, because it is set inside the wagons)

I know the rule to turn of the engine or pull down the collector, its the same here in Germany. I do not understand it, because the driver just have to turn of the heating, that the "power cable" is without electricity. It would not be a problem to couple or decouple a wagon if just the loco is powered.

But I really do not undrestand why you all do not like random consists. It would be a possiblity which noone have to use, just a bit more realism. I already use the TSRE Con-Editor for doing consists. But when I make for example the EC147.con with 151 011, this train has always the 151 011 with always the same wagons. In real life the EC 147 is hauled today by 151 011 tomorrow by 151 008, the next day 151 007 and some day maybe also 150 226 as a replacement. In some other simulators like the german "Protrain Perfect" or "Zusi3" this is possible and was my ispiration for that.

@Dan J. This problem with the ZSSK 971 is know since the unit was uploaded some month ago. It is not a problem with OR CZSK itself, but a problem with the trainset itself. Someone already said this in the comments at the website msts-rw.cz where the autor of this unit will maybe see it.

 

[Lukash]

Urobil som ešte jeden test. Dve lokomotívy spojené cez MU fungujú korektne a kompresory sa zapínajú na oboch. Takže to vyzerá na nejaký problém v komunikácii medzi riadiacim vozňom a hnacím vozňom (pre ORCZ vlastne lokomotívou).

 

[Dan J.]

Ahoj vážení.
Nechcete buď udělat vlákno ORCZ English, jak tomu bylo zde u sekce MSTS?! Už to začíná být pro mne celkem otravné. Nějaké základy Angličtiny mám, ale stejně, jak si ten text musím přeložit já do CZ jazyka, může si jej přeložit autor. Myslím, že jsme v České Republice na CS fóru a o českých vlacích. Neberte to prosím, jako útok, ale zkuste psát na německé, polské, nebo třeba mađarské fórum českým jazykem. Odpovědi se dočkáte asi velmi stěží. Fakt super louskat se tu romány v angličtině a překládat si o co go. Nezlobte se na mne. Fakt už jsem musel zareagovat.

 

[paashi]

Ahoj vážení.
Nechcete buď udělat vlákno ORCZ English, jak tomu bylo zde u sekce MSTS?! Už to začíná být pro mne celkem otravné. Nějaké základy Angličtiny mám, ale stejně, jak si ten text musím přeložit já do CZ jazyka, může si jej přeložit autor. Myslím, že jsme v České Republice na CS fóru a o českých vlacích. Neberte to prosím, jako útok, ale zkuste psát na německé, polské, nebo třeba mađarské fórum českým jazykem. Odpovědi se dočkáte asi velmi stěží. Fakt super louskat se tu romány v angličtině a překládat si o co go. Nezlobte se na mne. Fakt už jsem musel zareagovat.

Tak já taky musím: přeložit cokoliv umí už snad přímo prohlížeč. A když se ti to nechce louskat, tak to nečti a nechej odpověď na ty, co chtějí odpovědět. Very easy. Spíš mi přijde obtěžující napsat odpověď v angličtině a následně vložit překlad "pro ty, co neumí anglicky". Jo a ne všichni sedí v České republice. Jsou tu i Slováci, Maďaři, Poláci, Němci, atd. Nemá být tomuto fóru spíš ke cti, že dokáže všechny tyto národy propojit? Neočekávám odpověď. Spíš už se k tomu nechci vracet, ale mám takové tušení, že odpověď přijde.

 

[Dan J.]

Přesně jsem čekal tuhle odpivěď. Nic... Jak jsem psal, nebyl to žádný útok, jen pocit. No nic no...

 

[Dan J.]

A když tak koukâm na ty smajlíky, naběhnul jsem si sám, dobře mi tak .

Máte pravdu a naprosto s vámi souhlasím, když mezinárodně, tak se vším všudy. Naco fórum v češtině... může to tu být rovnou celé anglicky, aby se tu našinec neztratil a normálně se tu orientoval. Svatá pravda. Úplně bych ten ČJ smazal, vždyť jsme vlastně Evropané a co je komu po nějakém přiblblém českém jazyce máme google, aby jsme si udělali překlad do ČJ ne, když je mezinárodní ta angličtina. Už se vlastně ani nedivím a bylo mi tím i objasněno, proč je u kdejakého produktu i PC her, programů, návod (menu), polsky, čínsky, maďarsky, ba i rusky a bůh ví, jak ještě..., ale česky ani houby. Tak teď už to plně chápu.

Dík za reakce a objasnění... asi začnu dělat i hlášky v aktivitách a vše okolo stejným způsobem, aby nedošlo k nějakým zbytečným zmatkům a chaosu...

 

[Icik]

Urobil som ešte jeden test. Dve lokomotívy spojené cez MU fungujú korektne a kompresory sa zapínajú na oboch. Takže to vyzerá na nejaký problém v komunikácii medzi riadiacim vozňom a hnacím vozňom (pre ORCZ vlastne lokomotívou).

Ano, elektrikáři našli poškozené kabely profinet a nechaly se vyměnit. Opraveno v update.

 

[mikulda]

Dane, na všech fórech po světě platí, že se diskutuje v jazyce té země nebo anglicky.